Before Stonewall: David's Interview Clip 2 of 3

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Screen Archive South East at the University of Brighton collects, preserves, catalogues and provides public access to its collection of films and magic lantern slides. The collection charts the rise of screen culture in the region and the nation and captures many aspects of life, work and creativity in the South East from the late 19th century to the present day. It is available for research, screenings, creative re-use and commercial access.

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David finds his personal experience at odds with the ideological and utopian aspirations of his fellow socialists.

David makes some insightful remarks about how ideology clashes with reality in this short extract.

Working within, NALGO, the trade union for white collar workers, the attitude of many socialist members was that homosexuality was a 'bourgeoise deviation' and that it would disappear 'come the revolution'. However, David knew plenty of gay men and women from all walks of life.

He also noticed how working-class men and union members, several of whom David knew to be gay, still clung on to the mistaken belief that gays only came from the middle and upper-class circles. Citing the novel 'Brideshead Revisited' and its popular TV adaptation,

David implies that its imagery reinforced the notion that homosexuality 'didn't happen down the factory or on the buses'. David also recalls going to see the film 'Victim', which he thought was brilliant but without him telling anyone that he'd seen it. The film gave shape to feeling and questions he had and being the first British film to treat the subject seriously, Victim had a great effect on David.

Oscar Wilde was another author whose works gave gay men, according to David, the sense that they were not alone as well as the idea that men can love other men.

David ends by recalling what he says were 'wank-mags' like Physique Pictorial, which he collected while at university. These showed athletic and sporty images of men, usually showing off their muscles wearing only posing pouches, and while not being overtly gay, had a very powerful homo-erotic subtext as well as an almost entirely gay readership.

Born in 1942, in Crowborough, East Sussex, David enjoyed a rural childhood before being sent to grammar school, where he was treated as a 'pansy' by the teachers because he took no interest in sport, or girls.

Intending to study medicine, David felt, instead, he had a calling to the church, since the priests he knew were 'nice' and 'soft' in contrast to his father and brothers, who were plumbers and builders.

David also had a gay uncle, who had a long-lasting relationship with Sir Frank Carter (the philanthropist and co-founder of the British Empire Leprosy Relief Association) when he posted in Calcutta.

Before studying theology at King's College, London, David spent a year teaching at a boy's reform school in Lymington.

In 1974, David started working for Camden Council, joining the white-collar-worker's union NALGO, the National and Local Government Officer's Association, at the same time.

David 'came out' fully in the 1980s and has had a number of relationships, one of which lasted for more than 20 years.


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GLAM Before Stonewall: LGBT Oral History Project

This fascinating and important collection, recorded onto videotape, contains the testimonies, in the form of interviews, from individuals of varying ages, backgrounds and ethnicities from across the LGBT community.
‘Before Stonewall: An Oral History of the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Community’ was a Heritage Lottery Funded project organised in 2003 by a Brighton-based organisation 'Gay and Lesbian Arts and Media', otherwise known as GLAM. The project sought to record for posterity the first-hand recollections of gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people from across the United Kingdom and beyond, of a time before the events in New York’s Greenwich Village which culminated in the Stonewall Riots of 1969. This was a time which was very different, and in many respects more oppressive for homosexual and transgender people, than the one we’re familiar with today. This fascinating and important collection, recorded onto videotape, contains the testimonies, in the form of interviews, of over one-hundred individuals of varying ages, backgrounds and ethnicities from across the LGBT community. With recollections that reach back as far as the 1920s, what all of the interviews describe and reveal is the whole gamut of human experience, from the deeply tragic to the exhilaratingly joyous - all from the perspectives of a section of society that has often been considered to be ‘different from the others’. Journalist Charlotte Cooper, who worked for the gay press at the time, co-ordinated the project’s video-recording with volunteers and conducted many of the interviews herself. Charlotte describes her time on the project as both a revelatory and profoundly moving experience. Screen Archive South East has made available from across this collection a total of eighty four extracts from thirty individual interviews. Together they give an insightful and first-hand account of what life was like for LGBT people, both in the United Kingdom and abroad, and in both the years before Stonewall and after.

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Before Stonewall Summary: Charlotte Cooper Clip 1 of 4

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Before Stonewall Summary: Charlotte Cooper Clip 2 of 4

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Before Stonewall Summary: Charlotte Cooper Clip 3 of 4

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Before Stonewall Summary: Charlotte Cooper Clip 4 of 4

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Before Stonewall: Jenny's Interview Clip 1 of 3

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Before Stonewall: Jenny's Interview Clip 2 of 3

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Before Stonewall: Jenny's Interview Clip 3 of 3

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Before Stonewall: Eddie's Interview Clip 1 of 3

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Before Stonewall: Eddie's Interview Clip 2 of 3

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Before Stonewall: Eddie's Interview Clip 3 of 3

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Before Stonewall: Chris's Interview Clip 1 of 1

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Before Stonewall: Peter's Interview Clip 1 of 2

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Before Stonewall: Peter's Interview Clip 2 of 2

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Before Stonewall: Anthea's Interview Clip 1 of 1

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Before Stonewall: Geoff's Interview Clip 1 of 3

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Before Stonewall: Geoff's Interview Clip 2 of 3

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Before Stonewall: Geoff's Interview Clip 3 of 3

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Before Stonewall: Rex's Interview Clip 2 of 6

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Before Stonewall: Rex's Interview Clip 3 of 6

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Before Stonewall: Rex's Interview Clip 4 of 6

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Before Stonewall: Rex's Interview Clip 5 of 6

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Before Stonewall: Rex's Interview Clip 6 of 6

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Before Stonewall: Roger's Interview Clip 1 of 4

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Before Stonewall: Roger's Interview Clip 2 of 4

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Before Stonewall: Roger's Interview Clip 3 of 4

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Before Stonewall: Roger's Interview Clip 4 of 4

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Before Stonewall: Jane H's Interview Clip 1 of 5

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Before Stonewall: Jane H's Interview Clip 2 of 5

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Before Stonewall: Jane H's Interview Clip 4 of 5

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Before Stonewall: Jane H's Interview Clip 5 of 5

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Before Stonewall: Jacky's Interview Clip 1 of 4

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Before Stonewall: Jacky's Interview Clip 2 of 4

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Before Stonewall: Jacky's Interview Clip 3 of 4

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Before Stonewall: Jacky's Interview Clip 4 of 4

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Before Stonewall: Jane T's Interview Clip 1 of 4

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Before Stonewall: Jane T's Interview Clip 2 of 4

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Before Stonewall: Jane T's Interview Clip 3 of 4

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Before Stonewall: Jane T's Interview Clip 4 of 4

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Before Stonewall: Sue's Interview Clip 1 of 3

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Before Stonewall: Sue's Interview Clip 2 of 3

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Before Stonewall: Sue's Interview Clip 3 of 3

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Before Stonewall: David's Interview Clip 1 of 3

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Before Stonewall: David's Interview Clip 2 of 3

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Before Stonewall: David's Interview Clip 3 of 3

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Before Stonewall: Joe's Interview Clip 1 of 3

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Before Stonewall: Joe's Interview Clip 2 of 3

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Before Stonewall: Joe's Interview Clip 3 of 3

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Before Stonewall: Michael C's Interview Clip 1 of 2

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Before Stonewall: Michael C's Interview Clip 2 of 2

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Before Stonewall: John's Interview Clip 1 of 3

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Before Stonewall: John's Interview Clip 3 of 3

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Before Stonewall: Michael's Interview Clip 1 of 3

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Before Stonewall: Michael's Interview Clip 2 of 3

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Before Stonewall: Michael's Interview Clip 3 of 3

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Before Stonewall: Millie's Interview Clip 1 of 6

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Before Stonewall: Millie's Interview Clip 2 of 6

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Before Stonewall: Millie's Interview Clip 3 of 6

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Before Stonewall: Millie's Interview Clip 4 of 6

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Before Stonewall: Millie's Interview Clip 5 of 6

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Before Stonewall: Millie's Interview Clip 6 of 6

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Before Stonewall: Donald's Interview Clip 1 of 4

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Before Stonewall: Donald's Interview Clip 2 of 4

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Before Stonewall: Donald's Interview Clip 3 of 4

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Before Stonewall: Donald's Interview Clip 4 of 4

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Before Stonewall: Sapphire's Interview Clip 1 of 4

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Before Stonewall: Sapphire's Interview Clip 2 of 4

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Before Stonewall: Sapphire's Interview Clip 3 of 4

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Before Stonewall: Sapphire's Interview Clip 4 of 4

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Before Stonewall: Peggy's Interview Clip 1 of 1

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Before Stonewall: Patricia's Interview Clip 1 of 1

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Before Stonewall: Dave's Interview Clip 1 of 3

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Before Stonewall: Dave's Interview Clip 2 of 3

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Before Stonewall: Dave's Interview Clip 3 of 3

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Before Stonewall: Charlie's Interview Clip 1 of 1

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Before Stonewall: Gay's Interview Clip 1 of 1

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