Before Stonewall: Joe's Interview Clip 2 of 3
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Quite content with the body she has, Joe reflects on the experiences of others as well as her increasing engagement with gay politics.
In this extract, Joe, is asked if she'd ever wanted to be a man, replies with an emphatic - no! She didn't want a 'knob between her legs', she just wanted to be a 'butch lez' not a butch man.
She recalls one lesbian who did undergo a female-to-male sex change and was ridiculed by her circle of friends for doing so. Joe says that she could never be a man - but she could certainly act like one.
Politically, Joe was always engaged, feeling that gay people shouldn't need to be closeted. She also went on marches and attended events held by other groups she supported. Joe observes that in the past, gay people from all parts of society mixed together and respected each other, but feels that today's 'scene' has become too factionalised and snobbish. This aspect of the post-Stonewall era upsets her as she remembers that in the 1960s, everyone enjoyed themselves, even if that happened behind closed doors.
Joe was born in 1941 and was raised in a children's home in Fazakerley, Liverpool. She attended a boarding school, where an enlightened teacher recognised that she was a lesbian.
Around the age of 17, Joe started dressing in men's clothes and cutting her hair like a man's. This could, and did, lead to numerous violent attacks from homophobes. In one case, both she and her girlfriend were gang-raped and beaten. Her girlfriend died as a result of the attack.
Becoming a transient after that incident, and having had an abortion as a result of the rape, Joe moved to London for work and to find the lesbian scene. Joe worked in house services at the BBC and, disturbed by her butch appearance, the corporation organised appointments with a psychiatrist for her.
Joe became politically engaged and went on several marches and demonstrations connected with sexual identity issues. In later years, Joe's mental health would suffer, largely due to the homophobic violence she'd suffered throughout her life.