Before Stonewall: Joe's Interview Clip 3 of 3
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Joe never needed to 'come out', being a 'butch lez' for the whole world to see. Looking back, she remained a rebel despite the beatings.
In this extract, Joe eplains that she never had to come out of the closet as she was already visible as a 'butch' lesbian. She refers to others she knows who did have problems coming out and were rejected by their families. Happily, Joe says she's glad that there's less of that going on in 2003.
She recalls that in the past everything had to be discreet and that if two lesbians worked at the same place their sexuality remained inconspicuous. Joe, however, was remarkably different, as the whole world could see, since she wore a suit and tie as well as Brylcreem in her hair. She also 'didn't give a damn' how many times she was beaten up because at heart she was a rebel, with an 'if you don't like it - lump it' attitude. Joe was certainly not going to change for anyone, though she saw many lesbians who did.
Joe reflects that when you find someone who loves you unconditionally, that's the one to keep and girls liked being with Joe because they always felt that she was protective - they felt safe with her
Joe was born in 1941 and was raised in a children's home in Fazakerley, Liverpool. She attended a boarding school, where an enlightened teacher recognised that she was a lesbian.
Around the age of 17, Joe started dressing in men's clothes and cutting her hair like a man's. This could, and did, lead to numerous violent attacks from homophobes. In one case, both she and her girlfriend were gang-raped and beaten. Her girlfriend died as a result of the attack.
Becoming a transient after that incident, and having had an abortion as a result of the rape, Joe moved to London for work and to find the lesbian scene. Joe worked in house services at the BBC and, disturbed by her butch appearance, the corporation organised appointments with a psychiatrist for her.
Joe became politically engaged and went on several marches and demonstrations connected with sexual identity issues. In later years, Joe's mental health would suffer, largely due to the homophobic violence she'd suffered throughout her life.